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greetings citizens and welcome to

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i'm jason mcclellan maureen elsberry and

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shane hurd are

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here with me today as well thanks for

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hanging out with us for another one of

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our ufo happy hour episodes

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where we get together for some informal

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opinionated discussions about various

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ufo related topics

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and today some of the topics that we may

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get around to discussing

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are japan's ufo policy recent research

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related to possible life on venus

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and of course james fox's new film the

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phenomenon

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but before we get to that it's not happy

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hour until we get the drinks going so

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maureen what are you drinking today

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i went a little bit boring i am drinking

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fun weekend like end of week movie night

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so we ordered in pizza which you know we

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certainly haven't done any

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going out or a lot of ordering since uh

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the whole pandemic hit so like ordering

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in food is is a

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extra special treat so we decided to get

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some awesome pizza last night and we

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really wanted a bottle of wine to go

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with it

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but we found out that we had no more

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wine left in the house so a bottle of

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red wine is exactly what i wanted we

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didn't have that so

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but but that's a great thing right now

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in the pandemic a lot of

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at least in washington state you can

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order booze and

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beer and wine to go so you should have

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just ordered a bottle of wine

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that's true i should have you know i

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have done a couple couple orders from

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from the uh from the booze store from

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total wine you know nice nice alcohol

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shipment

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but uh yeah we were all out of wine this

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time that's okay

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but today i'm drinking um some japanese

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whiskey

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so it was a quick and easy thing to grab

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that's what i've got and shane how about

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you buddy what magical drink do you have

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well i've got myself a headache going

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today and i decided i didn't want any

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booze

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so i grabbed a nice big glass

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of red kool-aid and it's almost all gone

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i'm a a actual kool-aid drinker

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in the in the real sense not the

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political sense or otherwise so

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uh and in my defense i have two i'm an

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eight and a ten-year-old in the house so

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that's why we had a nice full picture

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full of kool-aid

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and i just took it and ran so that's it

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so i i'm thinking that uh after today

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i must create a t-shirt that says shane

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drank the kool-aid

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admit it

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it's all right shane you got a bud well

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enjoy the kool-aid cheers

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cheers everybody cheers well i wanted to

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get together for

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a ufo happy hour episode it's been a

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while since we we've even done an

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episode of unknown

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but you know a few things have have

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happened and generated some headlines in

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recent weeks in the past month um and we

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haven't had a chance to

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kind of discuss them together so just

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thought i'd

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mention a couple of them today and get

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your guys reaction we can

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talk about these casually and uh

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you know see what you think but the

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first one i want to talk about

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is this ufo policy

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that the japanese government has

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sort of enacted and you know

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media outlets around the world kind of

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spun this in various ways but overall

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what we know is that the us secretary of

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defense mark esper

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and tara cono the defense minister of

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japan met in guam

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back on august 29th and they talked

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about all sorts of

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military things like strength

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strengthening uh intelligence and

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defense capabilities

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they also discussed ufos and in early

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september during a press conference

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minister kona was asked

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if he had a ufo policy

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and if japan was looking to cooperate

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with the u.s

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being that they you know supposedly

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reportedly talked about ufos during this

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well minister kono said that he planned

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to address a ufo policy soon

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and that he and esper talked about it

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but he wouldn't elaborate beyond that

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then fast forward to september 14th we

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learned that minister kono

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announced these ufo instructions for the

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self defenses force which

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is basically if you encounter a ufo that

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you think could potentially

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pose a threat to national security try

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to get it on camera

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and the instructions also reportedly

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call for

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the analysis of ufo information received

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now that i think is a cool element to

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this that

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you know deserves more attention than

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just the fact that they're telling their

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military to

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if you see a ufo take a picture of it

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i mean i think that's always the default

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with anything that you encounter

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that could could pose a threat so i

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think that was already

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in in place by default but it's been

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but then this mentioned that they're

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supposedly going to analyze ufo

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received from the public that's super

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cool

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but you know to this point minister kono

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appears to be pretty skeptical when it

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comes to ufos

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because back in april after the pentagon

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officially released those three now

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famous ufo videos

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minister kono was asked about the videos

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during a press conference

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and he said that no defense

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self-defense force pilot has ever

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encountered a ufo

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um but you know he wanted to know more

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about the pentagon's videos

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and he then stated the now infamous

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i don't really believe in ufos but he

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did express an interest back then in

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establishing procedures

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in the event that a ufo encounter took

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seemingly in response to us us moves

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with our now uh

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uap task force in place that japan would

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the u.s is doing something we should do

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it too but then also looking to the u.s

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and the us kind of taking this position

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as an authority on the subject of ufos

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and offering insight and suggestions

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into how another country

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should deal with ufos when in my opinion

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you know studying ufos and with us just

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reportedly just putting this uap task

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force in place

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i don't really think the u.s is the one

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that the world should look to

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when it comes to how to deal with ufos

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what do you guys think yeah i mean

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first off the statement i don't believe

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in ufos drives me insane because

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all it means is this unidentified dude

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are saying you don't believe in seeing

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something that that

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side crazy too anyways um

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actually kind of surprising that japan

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didn't have anything in place

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and it's such a small country and you

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uh multiple active you know okinawa is a

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active us military base in fact and

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there's lots of sightings that have

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uh unexplained there and and by military

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officials there so the fact that this is

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new is kind of surprising

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and yes every country

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should have a way to report and

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investigate

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unknown objects in their airspace like

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it blows my mind

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that it's a big deal and and

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um sightings i agree that the u.s

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is probably not the way to to go you

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chile or france or other places that

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reporting facilities and and policies

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um the policy japan put out is very

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we should investigate this take a

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picture uh we'll investigate public

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that's it it's not um well at least what

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this is good because um you know there's

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jay seti over there japan's

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uh center for extraterrestrial

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intelligence research

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and they've reported major uh

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sightings from pilots and other things

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to the government and the government has

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ignored them because

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there was no policy in place so i'm

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hoping you know i think

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we are on the opposite end where we hear

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about these crazy

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sightings over japan and uh

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in other things that have happened over

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history because we're in the ufo area

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and we hear it directly from

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organization organizations like jcetti

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so now that it's official policy

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and i don't know if they said uh i don't

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are they reporting this to the public

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their findings or is this just

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we're going to investigate them and then

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keep the information classified

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um right yeah no mention about that

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yeah so it but if they are going to

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share their findings

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i think it'd be amazing because we'll

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probably get a much more in-depth

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uh look at what's happening over there

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they're following the us policy which we

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little tidbits here and there but who

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is just a function of how

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us and ally militaries

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cooperate and that this is less driven

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this is just a a new military policy and

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for those militaries that are associated

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dependent or intertwined with ours that

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this is just them following that model

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of hey the us does it this is what they

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say and

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let's model after that and let's

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cooperate

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i mean you know it could be as simple as

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that

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unless the focus on ufos because

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as you mentioned we've not really seen

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anything come out of japan from its

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military in terms of having

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you know encounters and that sort of

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thing so that's one thing i think the

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other thing i think could possibly be

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going on is

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they in fact have had encounters

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they do have evidence of those

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encounters and because the us

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has always pooh-poohed this allies will

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have fallen in place with that as well

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but now that there's some you know uh

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inklings of disclosure this

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disclosure of some items um you know

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those videos for example and now

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them having this formal policy that that

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they're going to you know latch onto

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that and do the same thing as well so

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it's to me it could either be just

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simple um

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you know perfunctory this is how allies

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cooperate

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uh or it could be there's been some

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motivation

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because of an experience that they've

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had and they're

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they're going to go to you know the us

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for some

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help or direction on that in that case

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so i mean it's hard to say we

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know how it goes uh once that

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information is in their hands

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you know there's no guarantee we'll ever

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see it or hear about it or any of that

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so

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uh well i think it's significant in the

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fact that

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you know it's a it's a still an act of

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credibility regarding ufos

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um it you know may not change much in

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itself but

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you know if we start seeing other allies

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doing the same thing and coming out to

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where

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you know the majority of governments i

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think like you mentioned

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maureen that it's some unimaginable that

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they completely ignore this stuff or

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have been

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so i think they've been you know dealing

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with it but just not

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making that public so even the construct

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of a

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public ufo reporting program i think is

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a huge

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you know gain in terms of of the whole

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topic of ufos and some credibility and

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reality there so

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i think overall it's a good thing and

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yeah is it what it

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what it looks like maybe maybe not yeah

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i think international cooperation on

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this topic is always a good thing any

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sort of international cooperation

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but as we know in this country

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and you know the uap task force um has

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kind of highlighted this at least the

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the senate bill in the wording um for

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what

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was intended um in a report that the

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senate would like

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and that it it highlighted the lack of

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communication

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here in our own country between

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different agencies and branches of our

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own government our own military

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so it's weird you know for us to be

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going and expecting some sort of

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great cooperation and communication with

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other

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countries when we can't even figure out

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how to do that here

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in our own country with our own

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government our own military

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so i mean communication issues are a big

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thing we need to work

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work on that in our own country let

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alone with

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international cooperation but i agree

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with you shane i think international

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cooperation is

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is always good on this topic and it's

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needed because as we know this is a

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global issue it's not something that's

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us or

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japan it's it's the globe we all deal

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with it

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so we'll see what happens but hey glad

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other countries are

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i won't say starting to because we know

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that countries have always had an

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interest in this topic and have always

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investigated and looked into

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and researched ufos but taking a renewed

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interest i guess

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because you make a good point shane i

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think based on

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the us's past pooh-poohing of the topic

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i think other people kind of take a lead

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from that and go ah

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well if they're not really going to take

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it seriously then why should we

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so we'll see hopefully it it lights that

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fire and renews some interest so i think

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yep well let's move on to space let's go

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deeper into space

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and you probably remember seeing the

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headlines about this about

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life being discovered on venus which

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isn't quite the case but

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on monday september 14th the royal

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astronomical society held a press

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conference where they announced the

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discovery of a rare molecule called

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phosphine in the clouds of venus and

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it's not really the phosphene itself

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that excited researchers but it's the

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relatively large amount

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or quantity of phosphine because here on

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earth natural things like

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volcanic activity and lightning can

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cause or generate phosphine

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but only in small amounts and according

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to researchers the only thing on earth

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is known to produce phosphine in similar

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quantities that they found on venus

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is bio or things that are biologic in

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origin

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so that's really cool and exciting um

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you know as with any research any

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research at all

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you're going to have people who are

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against that research

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or find problems with that research and

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you know poke holes in it

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and we've certainly seen that with this

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research not everybody believes

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what these researchers are suggesting

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that it indicates um but

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as some of these researchers like

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astrobiologist sarah sager pointed out

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during that press conference

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the only way we'll know for sure if life

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is causing this

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is to actually go to venus and we'll do

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that soon i mean we have missions

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you know planned uh for for going there

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for flying through the clouds for

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trying to do some sample collection

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those things are are underway

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but the thing that surprised me with

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seeing

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something like this happen is the

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reaction from the ufo community

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acting like this was something

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unheard of something new something that

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we haven't seen before

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and it's a sign of drip drip disclosure

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from the government that something

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bigger some big announcement about

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extraterrestrial life is coming

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because we've never seen this before

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where they make a big deal and have a

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press conference about the possibility

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of extraterrestrial life

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and as we all know certainly and maureen

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especially

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you and i have covered so much

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astrobiology news over the past

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decade plus and we've seen so many

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announcements like this and it made this

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one seem tame

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you know where we had nasa press

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conferences in the past five years or so

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where they really hyped it up and they

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were really

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playing up that extraterrestrial card

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and and

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teasing it and even in the press

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releases announcing

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who the participants in the press

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releases were going to be and these were

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people

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focused on intelligent extraterrestrial

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life and things like that

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they'd really hype it up and and

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everybody would go crazy you'd have the

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speculation oh yeah they're going to

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announce extraterrestrial life they're

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going to announce extraterrestrial life

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this has happened so many times over the

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years we keep seeing

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it this is certainly not a new thing it

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doesn't mean it's not exciting not all

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of this stuff is super exciting

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but it's nothing new so

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warren you you kind of followed the the

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explosion of headlines as this was

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happening what what did you think did

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you have flashbacks when

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when you saw that stuff come out i can

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only say how many

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press releases we in the office sat and

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waited for

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and watched uh and and again this is

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news that

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it is exciting and we've seen this

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before on on many potential

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you know life on enceladus and uh mars

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and lots of different things and

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exciting discoveries

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and don't get me wrong this stuff is

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always exciting

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but is it is it what people are

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are hyping up in terms of

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extraterrestrial life no we're looking

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at more

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microbial in the clouds um

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at least for the case of venus and these

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are not

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you know particles would die when they

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hit the the

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earth earth sorry the ground

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of venus it's not like benugi in life

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that

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have um described in encounters and

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um so so yeah it's exciting but i think

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what's more interesting is looking at it

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in the fact that um you know they

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believe that

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water disappeared like the oceans of

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venus

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evaporated probably 700 million years

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ago which is

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in the grand scheme of things not that

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long ago and

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so life they they're speculating that

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life found a way to

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adapt and it moved to the clouds and

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then you have mars

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and mars life adapted

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and potentially moved down underground

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into lava tubes or other places on mars

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and then we have earth and we're facing

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this big climate change

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what the hell is going to happen here i

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mean granted the oceans aren't going to

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disappear in our lifetime uh but

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you know it's it's a projection of of

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what will earth look like

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are we going the route of venus and mars

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so i find that interesting not

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necessarily but

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that we're finding intelligent

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extraterrestrial life on venus that's

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not what this is about but it is still

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how about you shane i know you're a

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space nerd and you love

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seeing stuff like this tell me what you

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thought

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yeah yeah i think it was interesting uh

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you know i didn't go bananas over it

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either

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uh we've heard you know inklings of this

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kind of stuff

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before um you know like most recently

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00:21:04,870 --> 00:21:02,000
amuamua for example

571
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,880
and what i find interesting about the

572
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:05,919
whole topic

573
00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:10,080
is that scientists are floating

574
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,520
the idea or explanation about it being

575
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,640
life which you know

576
00:21:19,990 --> 00:21:18,240
as you guys mentioned i know you guys

577
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:20,000
are way more familiar with this than i

578
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,880
am but

579
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:23,120
over the years these sorts of things do

580
00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:24,640
pop up and so

581
00:21:27,830 --> 00:21:27,200
uh again like avialobe from harvard

582
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,840
saying

583
00:21:32,230 --> 00:21:29,600
you know muammar could have been a you

584
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:32,240
know an alien craft or probe

585
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:35,280
um you know there was uh you know

586
00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:36,799
different announcements

587
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:38,960
i think it was just a couple years ago

588
00:21:42,470 --> 00:21:40,960
nasa come out and said

589
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:42,480
again with the big news conference we

590
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,080
think we'll find intelligent life

591
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:47,280
in 10 years you know uh before that

592
00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:50,000
yeah certainly with the mars stuff and

593
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,640
um

594
00:21:54,390 --> 00:21:53,280
you know other probes you know phobos

595
00:21:56,230 --> 00:21:54,400
and that whole thing where

596
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:56,240
they lost the russian craft and there's

597
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:57,600
that photo and just

598
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:01,360
you know the just the suggestion of life

599
00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:05,360
is pretty remarkable from the scientific

600
00:22:09,029 --> 00:22:06,640
community

601
00:22:11,430 --> 00:22:09,039
at least more than 10 years ago it had

602
00:22:13,669 --> 00:22:11,440
been kind of almost shocking but

603
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:13,679
now we're starting to kind of get used

604
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,080
to that idea and i think it really

605
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:18,080
hovers around the fact that we we have

606
00:22:23,029 --> 00:22:19,760
discovered so many

607
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,039
um exoplanets now that if you remember

608
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:25,200
15 20 years ago scientists would not

609
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,120
admit life was anywhere they just

610
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,159
were super skeptical um but when those

611
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:31,520
started popping up and then

612
00:22:35,430 --> 00:22:34,880
recognizing just how ubiquitous planets

613
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:35,440
are

614
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:38,159
you know billions of them in our galaxy

615
00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:39,200
alone

616
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:42,240
that you know just the sheer odds say

617
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:44,640
life if it found a way here it's had to

618
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:45,280
find

619
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,960
fi found a way elsewhere so um

620
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,480
that's kind of what strikes me with the

621
00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,000
whole issue and i know they just

622
00:22:55,830 --> 00:22:54,320
a probe on the way to mercury i think in

623
00:22:57,990 --> 00:22:55,840
the last week or so

624
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:58,000
has flown by venus and you know they're

625
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,440
gonna try and check it out so i haven't

626
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,440
heard any results of that yet but

627
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:04,080
you know it's it it is noteworthy and it

628
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,280
is interesting

629
00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,520
but like anything i think you know the

630
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:09,120
explanation could be very

631
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:12,080
um you know prosaic it could just be you

632
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,320
know

633
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,120
chemical element there that uh as we

634
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,400
know already it can

635
00:23:20,390 --> 00:23:19,440
it can occur in ways other than being

636
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:20,400
life

637
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,000
like the volcanic stuff that you

638
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,840
mentioned marine so uh

639
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,840
and you know venus is a pretty freaking

640
00:23:29,190 --> 00:23:27,200
weird place i mean

641
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,200
you know it's 800 degrees fahrenheit it

642
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,039
has prep i don't know off the top my

643
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,039
head but i know the pressure there

644
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,159
is much greater in a and you know

645
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,039
especially the soviet union sent probes

646
00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:40,880
and stuff there in the past and

647
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,880
you know they just don't last long

648
00:23:47,029 --> 00:23:45,120
because of the harsh chemical

649
00:23:48,549 --> 00:23:47,039
elements in the atmosphere the weight

650
00:23:50,669 --> 00:23:48,559
the the pressure

651
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:50,679
and the temperature and so it's a it's

652
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,840
extremely

653
00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:54,240
hostile environment so i don't know can

654
00:23:57,350 --> 00:23:55,840
life find a way maybe

655
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:57,360
maybe not in the clouds and that's

656
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:59,120
what's cool about any of these planets

657
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,159
because they they all have their

658
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,320
weirdnesses to them and venus certainly

659
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:04,799
you know in the clouds because you know

660
00:24:09,029 --> 00:24:05,440
it brings up

661
00:24:11,029 --> 00:24:09,039
images of of star wars uh

662
00:24:12,390 --> 00:24:11,039
you know cloud city and that's what they

663
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,400
talked about with venus

664
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:14,320
is you know the possibility of having

665
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,840
these cloud cities in the future

666
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,200
because potentially habitable they're in

667
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,600
the clouds of venus

668
00:24:25,190 --> 00:24:24,240
but you know a lot of the research being

669
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,200
done now

670
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:28,640
is is quite old based on on old data

671
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,000
because you know the past 10 20 years

672
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:35,120
instruments have provided the data that

673
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:36,000
suggests

674
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:38,799
life on a lot of the worlds in our own

675
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:40,000
solar system

676
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,760
and now we're seeing return missions in

677
00:24:48,630 --> 00:24:45,120
in

678
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:48,640
adaptations of of what the scientists

679
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:48,960
know

680
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:51,760
specifically they want more data on to

681
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,120
be able to

682
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:54,960
prove or get closer to proving the

683
00:24:57,510 --> 00:24:56,640
existence of extraterrestrial life on

684
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:57,520
these worlds

685
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,480
there's so many astrobiology missions

686
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,159
happening right now

687
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,960
and missions that are planned for for

688
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:06,400
sample return missions

689
00:25:09,750 --> 00:25:08,799
for you know just additional data

690
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:09,760
gathering

691
00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,720
on all these crazy awesome moons like

692
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,200
europa enceladus titan

693
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:17,360
yeah i i'm pretty sure there's life on

694
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,640
all these places but we're getting

695
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:20,240
closer and closer to being able to

696
00:25:24,630 --> 00:25:21,120
answer that

697
00:25:26,230 --> 00:25:24,640
at least more more solidly um certainly

698
00:25:27,029 --> 00:25:26,240
not concretely and we won't until we're

699
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:27,039
actually like

700
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,440
landing on these worlds and and you know

701
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,279
doing submarines which again another

702
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,039
cool thing that's in the works sending

703
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,279
submarines to some of these water worlds

704
00:25:38,950 --> 00:25:37,919
to to do sample uh returns and to you

705
00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:38,960
know do

706
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:42,159
collection to be able to analyze

707
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,279
the the water for life on these crazy

708
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:47,840
awesome worlds i love it just send out a

709
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:50,960
mel gibson to the water worlds and

710
00:25:56,070 --> 00:25:54,480
sorry i know when when i when i saw this

711
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:56,080
this venus news the first thing i

712
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:58,000
thought was well maybe women are from

713
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:58,640
venus

714
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,679
actually because who knows

715
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:03,440
but but yeah you know one thing that

716
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,960
that i will say is

717
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:06,880
based on your point jason is it's kind

718
00:26:09,430 --> 00:26:08,159
of cool if you look at it you think

719
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:09,440
about how

720
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,919
we're now able to solve all these crimes

721
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:14,640
based on dna evidence that was gathered

722
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:17,279
50 years ago because we have the

723
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:18,960
technology to do it now

724
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:21,200
and so that that data that's captured on

725
00:26:24,230 --> 00:26:22,159
all these past

726
00:26:26,070 --> 00:26:24,240
missions is super important because now

727
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:26,080
we have technology to analyze that

728
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,039
better so

729
00:26:31,190 --> 00:26:30,480
i i think that within uh within our

730
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:31,200
lifetime

731
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:34,159
we'll see a lot more uh really amazing

732
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:36,480
discoveries in space but i am envious of

733
00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:38,320
future generations

734
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:42,320
uh if if our planet's still alive

735
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:45,840
what what they might discover and learn

736
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,720
a lot's gonna happen you know

737
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:50,640
progressively more and more will happen

738
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,360
each year because technology keeps

739
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:55,360
improving and we've got so many rad

740
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,919
instruments now specifically focused on

741
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:59,120
finding life

742
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,960
so you know every year just gets more

743
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,320
and more exciting in that in the world

744
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:03,919
of astrobiology

745
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,320
so let's move on to the phenomenon guys

746
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:07,279
um this

747
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,559
is a big ufo documentary

748
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,640
that just released on october 6th from

749
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:14,240
our friend james fox

750
00:27:19,909 --> 00:27:17,279
and maureen and i recently

751
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,919
spoke with james on our newly launched

752
00:27:22,789 --> 00:27:21,279
the rogue planet show

753
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,799
that's on youtube check that out if you

754
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,720
haven't seen it but uh

755
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:26,399
let's talk a little bit about this film

756
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,080
guys and shane i'll let you go

757
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:30,399
first what did you think of the

758
00:27:36,389 --> 00:27:32,720
phenomenon

759
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:36,399
yeah i liked it very much i thought um

760
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:39,440
you know james has put out already some

761
00:27:43,669 --> 00:27:41,600
very good documentaries with out of the

762
00:27:46,310 --> 00:27:43,679
blue and i know what you saw

763
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:46,320
um and i think this this just is a

764
00:27:51,269 --> 00:27:47,520
reflection of

765
00:27:53,830 --> 00:27:51,279
you know uh his

766
00:27:54,789 --> 00:27:53,840
skill improving and making movies and

767
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:54,799
and

768
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:57,039
uh you know those were sort of like man

769
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,399
on the street kind of ones

770
00:28:02,070 --> 00:28:01,200
dominated with that now they're on this

771
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,080
one

772
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,200
had some really great interviews uh on

773
00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:06,640
cases that

774
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:10,799
was blown away some of those i had not

775
00:28:13,990 --> 00:28:11,760
heard of

776
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:14,000
um and then to you know to hear about

777
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:16,080
them now and actually have those

778
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:18,559
individuals go on camera and tell about

779
00:28:21,029 --> 00:28:20,080
their experience i thought was very

780
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,039
powerful

781
00:28:25,190 --> 00:28:22,880
and i like how he just kind of laid out

782
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:25,200
a historical review

783
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,200
you know of cases that you know provide

784
00:28:33,190 --> 00:28:31,679
excellent evidence for the topic and i

785
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,200
especially love the

786
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:36,640
both the ariel school and the uh westall

787
00:28:39,669 --> 00:28:38,559
school cases and you know the footage

788
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,679
with john mack

789
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:42,000
and interviewing these children and you

790
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,799
know i know

791
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:45,039
you guys know emily trim and it was cool

792
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:45,840
to see her

793
00:28:51,269 --> 00:28:48,880
as an adult but actual footage when she

794
00:28:54,630 --> 00:28:51,279
was a child and several of those

795
00:28:57,190 --> 00:28:54,640
those individuals um just made a very

796
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:57,200
you know very powerful testimony i think

797
00:29:02,710 --> 00:28:57,679
is

798
00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:02,720
and then you know the conclusions and

799
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:04,080
you know the revealing of

800
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:06,720
some more specific stuff on the nuclear

801
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,760
contact and

802
00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:10,480
i mean just it just did an absolute

803
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,080
awesome job of hitting

804
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:15,120
all of the right points in

805
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:18,480
in the uf ufo topic that you know

806
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,320
produced meaningful credible

807
00:29:27,830 --> 00:29:26,000
data and results and and um

808
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,840
i i just thought it was excellent all

809
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,279
the way around

810
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,679
maureen i i'd love to hear your thought

811
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:33,360
on this so

812
00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:36,480
surprisingly or not surprisingly

813
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:39,120
after the movie came out there was quite

814
00:29:44,710 --> 00:29:40,720
a bit of criticism

815
00:29:47,909 --> 00:29:44,720
from the ufo community about this film

816
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:47,919
because there wasn't anything

817
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:50,720
that's really all that new in the film

818
00:29:55,029 --> 00:29:51,919
you know it's not any

819
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,039
anything bringing earth-shattering new

820
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,720
ufo information

821
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:59,120
to the ufo community what do you think

822
00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,480
about that

823
00:30:05,430 --> 00:30:03,760
i think this film is not for the ufo

824
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:05,440
community i think this is for the

825
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,399
general public

826
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:09,120
and in that respect if you approach it

827
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,000
like that

828
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,240
it's an amazing film i can't tell you

829
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,080
how many people i talk to that

830
00:30:19,750 --> 00:30:17,279
don't know about the fact that

831
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:19,760
we had nuclear missile sites being shut

832
00:30:22,950 --> 00:30:20,399
down by

833
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:22,960
unknown objects that we would not be

834
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:23,520
able to

835
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,799
launch these missiles if needed

836
00:30:31,990 --> 00:30:30,080
in an attack i mean that i mean i hope

837
00:30:35,029 --> 00:30:32,000
we don't ever launch them anyways

838
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:35,039
but that's like these are amazing

839
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:36,080
testimonies

840
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:39,440
that are occurring and most of the world

841
00:30:43,350 --> 00:30:41,760
does not know about this we have a very

842
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,360
niche ufo community

843
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,440
this documentary is not for us i mean

844
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:47,520
it's for us but

845
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:50,960
there's not breaking information for us

846
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:54,159
real passion was put into this film and

847
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,200
if you watch it

848
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,440
there were some really great tidbits and

849
00:31:02,549 --> 00:30:59,440
footage that we'd never seen before

850
00:31:03,350 --> 00:31:02,559
yeah some amazing interviews to your

851
00:31:05,669 --> 00:31:03,360
point shane

852
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,679
the john mack interviews were amazing

853
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:07,200
with the aerial school children

854
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:09,360
yeah i mean i think that super powerful

855
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:10,320
testimony

856
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:13,440
the children were

857
00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:17,679
sincere and honest and talking about

858
00:31:25,190 --> 00:31:21,919
the alleged creatures they saw in a way

859
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,200
that was truthful and honest and

860
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:28,000
and you know most cases that are

861
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:29,760
presented in this documentary and we're

862
00:31:35,509 --> 00:31:32,159
moving forward on a timeline of of

863
00:31:37,430 --> 00:31:35,519
all the west all 66 incident the aerial

864
00:31:38,470 --> 00:31:37,440
you know we're going from the 60s to the

865
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:38,480
90s

866
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:41,279
they're all building up to this uh

867
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:42,320
greater reveal

868
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:45,919
of more transparency and understanding

869
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,399
and

870
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:49,519
a storyline that i think is is extremely

871
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:50,080
important

872
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,559
and i think this will make people take

873
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:54,480
the subject more seriously

874
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,399
and of course um

875
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,960
i when i posted something about the film

876
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:02,320
on facebook

877
00:32:06,630 --> 00:32:05,279
somebody who's friends with facebook

878
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:06,640
friends with lee spiegel i don't know if

879
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:07,760
he actually knows

880
00:32:12,630 --> 00:32:10,399
this person or not asked why the billy

881
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,640
meyer incident wasn't included because

882
00:32:17,430 --> 00:32:14,159
it's so important

883
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,440
and so

884
00:32:21,990 --> 00:32:20,320
i and and i i really i don't want to

885
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,000
attack people for their

886
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:25,039
beliefs or anything but that case is

887
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:28,640
highly polarizing and it's

888
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:31,360
i mean obviously i think it's it's a lot

889
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,320
of bs

890
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:34,640
and i know jason has done significant

891
00:32:40,149 --> 00:32:36,399
research on that

892
00:32:42,389 --> 00:32:40,159
but it's not very credible and you

893
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:42,399
don't want to put stuff in a documentary

894
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,640
like this because you may believe it's a

895
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,080
hundred percent the truth

896
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,080
but most people don't and if you put

897
00:32:51,990 --> 00:32:50,080
that kind of stuff in a documentary

898
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,000
like this and present it to the public

899
00:32:57,830 --> 00:32:53,760
that documentary is

900
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:57,840
nolan void and that's it it would

901
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,200
skew the entire film so i think people

902
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:03,360
should realize

903
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:07,360
that these are amazing cases

904
00:33:10,630 --> 00:33:09,440
that should be presented to the public

905
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:10,640
in a light like this

906
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,000
it's not a film for us in terms of

907
00:33:17,909 --> 00:33:16,559
revealing new information but that's

908
00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:17,919
what makes it great

909
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,600
in my opinion yeah and

910
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,799
you know there was a lot i mean

911
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,760
certainly i've seen a lot of the

912
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:27,200
archival stuff before

913
00:33:30,630 --> 00:33:29,120
but there's plenty in this film that i

914
00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:30,640
hadn't seen before

915
00:33:35,029 --> 00:33:33,360
seen or heard you know i love to bring

916
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:35,039
up the the lani zamora stuff

917
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,960
because there was some really good

918
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,080
archival stuff

919
00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:41,279
there yeah you know the audio and

920
00:33:47,110 --> 00:33:44,320
and the the interview with the wife um

921
00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:47,120
the conversation with the dispatcher i

922
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:47,760
mean

923
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:50,480
that's a fantastic case and this film i

924
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,799
know

925
00:33:54,230 --> 00:33:53,039
james spent a lot of time on that case

926
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,240
specifically

927
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:56,720
and there's some really good stuff about

928
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,279
about

929
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:59,600
socorro in there that was certainly one

930
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:00,720
of my favorites

931
00:34:04,389 --> 00:34:03,039
the school stuff absolutely i mean a lot

932
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,399
of archival stuff there

933
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,159
but you know talking with the people

934
00:34:09,270 --> 00:34:08,240
today and hearing their recollections

935
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,280
today

936
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:11,679
compared with back then and hearing from

937
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:12,879
some of the

938
00:34:16,629 --> 00:34:15,679
people who were adults at the time at

939
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:16,639
these schools

940
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,119
that was amazing too hearing from them

941
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,960
that was great

942
00:34:24,950 --> 00:34:22,560
another one of my favorite things again

943
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,960
talking about the ufos and nukes

944
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:27,119
um wasn't necessarily about the you know

945
00:34:33,030 --> 00:34:30,159
the ufos and nukes information but

946
00:34:34,470 --> 00:34:33,040
about that one little detail that i find

947
00:34:37,349 --> 00:34:34,480
so fascinating

948
00:34:38,230 --> 00:34:37,359
that connects you know many of these

949
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:38,240
cases

950
00:34:42,470 --> 00:34:40,960
beyond just the the military bases and

951
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:42,480
the nuclear weapons

952
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:45,679
and that is the red laser being shot

953
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,119
from the ufo you know we heard that from

954
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:51,760
from malmstrom and uh from ellsworth air

955
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,560
force base

956
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:54,800
but that's also that's also rendalchum i

957
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,879
mean we've got these ufos at these bases

958
00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,400
with nukes shooting down

959
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:01,599
lasers at the ground and that just is

960
00:35:06,950 --> 00:35:04,880
incredibly fascinating to me um

961
00:35:08,790 --> 00:35:06,960
you know so there were moments like that

962
00:35:10,870 --> 00:35:08,800
when i was watching this movie where

963
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,880
you know with ufo documentaries i kind

964
00:35:14,069 --> 00:35:12,640
of passively watched them because you

965
00:35:16,230 --> 00:35:14,079
know it's just a lot of head nodding i'm

966
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,240
like oh yeah that case oh yeah that case

967
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,160
but there were elements you know with

968
00:35:21,190 --> 00:35:19,520
some of the interviews with some of the

969
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:21,200
footage with some of the details that i

970
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:21,839
thought oh

971
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,119
that's interesting and i would actually

972
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,960
like pull out my phone and take notes on

973
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:25,599
it because

974
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,359
i wasn't expecting to be pleasantly

975
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:29,040
surprised with some of these things

976
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,640
so i thought the movie did a really good

977
00:35:34,870 --> 00:35:33,359
job um from a narrative standpoint sort

978
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:34,880
of telling the story

979
00:35:39,109 --> 00:35:37,280
and telling it to the general public and

980
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,119
that that is the big point here

981
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:41,520
i mean it's not a documentary made for

982
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:43,040
the ufo community

983
00:35:48,710 --> 00:35:46,640
found it

984
00:35:50,150 --> 00:35:48,720
interesting and you know it's something

985
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:50,160
that i highly recommend

986
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,000
to everybody i think it's the best ufo

987
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:55,040
documentary that's ever been made

988
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:56,480
but it is for the public and that's

989
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,240
something hard i think for a lot of

990
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:59,760
people including myself i get caught up

991
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:00,800
in it too

992
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,560
not remembering that this is something

993
00:36:08,710 --> 00:36:06,320
that's important to us it's something

994
00:36:10,550 --> 00:36:08,720
that we're focused on hyper focused on

995
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,560
we pay pay attention to everything we

996
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,400
see in the news about this everything

997
00:36:16,790 --> 00:36:14,880
that the ufo community is discussing

998
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,800
but the general public doesn't see

999
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:17,920
things the way we

1000
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:21,040
see it if they see a ufo headline it's

1001
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:22,079
not necessarily

1002
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:24,320
going to you know serve the same purpose

1003
00:36:27,430 --> 00:36:26,000
to them that it does to us

1004
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,440
a lot of people just brush that stuff

1005
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:29,599
off or don't give it a second thought

1006
00:36:36,310 --> 00:36:33,040
so you know for the ufo community

1007
00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:36,320
there's oftentimes this perception that

1008
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:38,480
the entire world knows about all of this

1009
00:36:41,589 --> 00:36:39,520
stuff that's happening

1010
00:36:43,670 --> 00:36:41,599
i mean we can take something as big as

1011
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:43,680
those three ufo videos

1012
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:46,320
officially released by the government

1013
00:36:50,069 --> 00:36:47,520
there are still

1014
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,079
probably the majority of the people in

1015
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,839
the country if not the world

1016
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:53,920
who don't know about those videos who

1017
00:36:58,790 --> 00:36:55,599
haven't seen those videos as hard as

1018
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,800
it as it is to believe there are lots

1019
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:00,560
and lots and lots of people

1020
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:02,320
who aren't even familiar with those

1021
00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:03,760
videos let alone

1022
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:07,119
intricacies of other ufo cases or the

1023
00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:08,720
fact that back to your favorite question

1024
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,280
maureen

1025
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,400
are ufos real you know and and that's

1026
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:14,320
why it always comes up because

1027
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,280
that is the established norm the default

1028
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,480
for the general public

1029
00:37:24,069 --> 00:37:21,520
is ufos do not exist

1030
00:37:25,270 --> 00:37:24,079
we're still at that beginning step of

1031
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:25,280
this race

1032
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,320
we can't go expect the public to to

1033
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:30,320
leap forward and finish the race when

1034
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,760
we're back at the beginning

1035
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,440
and i think a lot of people need to

1036
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:35,280
understand that have a little more

1037
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:36,000
patience

1038
00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:38,000
when it comes to this topic in

1039
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:39,599
presenting the information

1040
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,320
and having lower expectations for how

1041
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,760
the general public

1042
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,520
should react to these news stories

1043
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:47,520
because again to the general most of the

1044
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,800
general public

1045
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:52,000
we're still back at do ufos exist

1046
00:37:58,069 --> 00:37:55,280
absolutely that i mean seriously this is

1047
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:58,079
i've always had the resources when when

1048
00:38:02,470 --> 00:37:59,440
people find out what i do

1049
00:38:05,510 --> 00:38:02,480
and they say well okay uh

1050
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:05,520
what do i read or watch to learn more

1051
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,240
about it

1052
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:08,960
and i had always suggested i know what i

1053
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,599
saw

1054
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,320
leslie kane's book uh ufos pilots

1055
00:38:14,870 --> 00:38:13,839
generals and military officials go on

1056
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:14,880
the record

1057
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:17,280
and now you know this is going to be

1058
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:18,320
probably my

1059
00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,839
the first thing i say go watch this film

1060
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,400
if that spikes your interest then i'm

1061
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:25,839
going to give you some other resources

1062
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:26,160
to

1063
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:32,480
say this about the

1064
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:34,960
fascination you had with the lasers

1065
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,680
aspect

1066
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,440
because one of your favorite cases

1067
00:38:42,410 --> 00:38:40,800
involves a ufo shooting laser beams

1068
00:38:44,150 --> 00:38:42,420
and killing people

1069
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:44,160
[Laughter]

1070
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:45,760
yes the killing part isn't what i love

1071
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,359
but yes it does make it fascinating yes

1072
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:48,800
kolaris is like

1073
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,480
it's so cool you know that in proximity

1074
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,359
time wise to to rendelsham yes very

1075
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:58,079
fascinating

1076
00:39:01,190 --> 00:39:00,079
ufos shooting lasers another thing

1077
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,200
typically

1078
00:39:05,829 --> 00:39:04,000
yeah another thing i just to to close

1079
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,839
this out guys just another thing to

1080
00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:08,240
to kind of get your take on and that is

1081
00:39:10,630 --> 00:39:10,000
you know i've heard recently and i think

1082
00:39:12,310 --> 00:39:10,640
it's

1083
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,320
maybe chris mellon has been been

1084
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:14,480
tweeting this um i could be wrong about

1085
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:15,119
that

1086
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:19,040
but supposedly the phenomenon

1087
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:21,200
you know is is being shown to people on

1088
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:24,000
the ufo task force the uap task force

1089
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:26,160
you know to sort of bring them up to

1090
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:28,880
speed or to to to give them a good

1091
00:39:33,430 --> 00:39:30,320
education

1092
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:33,440
um you know and and whether that's

1093
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,000
that's

1094
00:39:37,829 --> 00:39:35,440
actually happening or not i don't know

1095
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,839
but if it is

1096
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:39,520
i personally find that fascinating

1097
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,119
because as we

1098
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:43,680
keep hearing with so much of what

1099
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:44,480
happens

1100
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:48,960
with ufos on an official level

1101
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:52,800
it's people who aren't

1102
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,960
supposed to be are in the know people

1103
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:56,320
the ones who are supposed to be

1104
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:57,200
disclosing

1105
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,760
information to us who are getting their

1106
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:00,960
information

1107
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,480
from the ufo community it's the ufo

1108
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:05,839
community

1109
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:09,119
informing people in the government about

1110
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:10,319
ufos

1111
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:12,800
for people in the government to then say

1112
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,880
here's what we know about ufos

1113
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:18,000
because we learned it from ufo people

1114
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:20,640
it doesn't seem to be the right sequence

1115
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:21,440
of events

1116
00:40:24,870 --> 00:40:24,319
to me um i don't know what do you what

1117
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:24,880
do you guys

1118
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,910
yeah that's a curious little uh

1119
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,560
development there i would say too it

1120
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:36,480
unless it is

1121
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:40,160
that it because it is so succinct

1122
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:42,480
and it's encapsulated in the form of a

1123
00:40:45,670 --> 00:40:43,440
movie

1124
00:40:48,069 --> 00:40:45,680
and as as we already talked about that

1125
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,079
the cases selected are strong

1126
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,800
they include civilian and military cases

1127
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:52,079
and so

1128
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:55,520
maybe um it just tells the story

1129
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,920
in the quickest way possible right so

1130
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,119
you're probably not going to have a

1131
00:41:03,109 --> 00:41:00,480
senator sit down and read

1132
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:03,119
you know an entire book in a short

1133
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:05,440
period of time about ufos

1134
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,680
uh they might spend an hour and 20

1135
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:08,640
minutes watching

1136
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:12,000
watching that film and you know we we

1137
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:15,119
you know learn quickly from um

1138
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:18,240
film or video so maybe that's that's the

1139
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:19,680
idea

1140
00:41:25,670 --> 00:41:22,800
or or maybe it's

1141
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,680
you know i mean i really got mixed

1142
00:41:29,349 --> 00:41:27,440
feelings on the whole how much the

1143
00:41:32,470 --> 00:41:29,359
government knows things

1144
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,480
because i think you i think what you

1145
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:35,200
have is you have some people that know a

1146
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:35,680
lot

1147
00:41:39,750 --> 00:41:38,160
and the majority know nothing and maybe

1148
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:39,760
a smattering know a little

1149
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:42,960
and and i'm talking within government um

1150
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:45,359
and as we already know from louis

1151
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:46,640
alizando

1152
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:50,079
that you know the receptiveness of

1153
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,000
individuals within government um

1154
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:56,480
can be pretty narrow based on like the

1155
00:41:59,670 --> 00:41:58,000
religious views or

1156
00:42:01,910 --> 00:41:59,680
or other things now you put those

1157
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,920
personal biases in and then you add top

1158
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:02,640
of them

1159
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:05,440
their professional responsibilities and

1160
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,920
you

1161
00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:07,440
there's no mistake there's still the

1162
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:09,760
ridicule factor out there so

1163
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,119
you know it to me it's probably a blend

1164
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,960
of all those things you know

1165
00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:17,920
they they they do depend on some of the

1166
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:20,560
information from the ufo community they

1167
00:42:24,470 --> 00:42:23,760
know some things themselves um but maybe

1168
00:42:26,550 --> 00:42:24,480
this was just

1169
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,560
the most direct way to bring some of

1170
00:42:30,550 --> 00:42:28,400
those people up to speed

1171
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,560
in a way that people get up to speed

1172
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,640
quickly with a film versus you know

1173
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:34,160
dreams of reading to do so

1174
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:36,480
maybe it's as simple as that but in any

1175
00:42:39,990 --> 00:42:38,160
regard if it's true and they did it i

1176
00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,000
think that's freaking awesome

1177
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,640
very cool and a very informative and

1178
00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:45,119
useful tool for them to again make

1179
00:42:49,109 --> 00:42:46,800
progress and educate these

1180
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:49,119
these leaders and these people who

1181
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,319
ultimately

1182
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:52,400
are gonna control the narrative on this

1183
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,839
thing so

1184
00:42:57,510 --> 00:42:55,839
you know stay tuned and hold on to our

1185
00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:57,520
butts i guess

1186
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,599
yeah so it's essentially serving as an

1187
00:43:02,710 --> 00:43:02,000
onboarding video for people and as you

1188
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,720
mentioned

1189
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:05,119
we have people that that are brand new

1190
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:06,400
to this that are probably being

1191
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,920
appointed to positions

1192
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,359
that need to be filled and you have

1193
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:11,119
people who have uh

1194
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,839
high clearance and you know even harry

1195
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,520
reid had mentioned

1196
00:43:23,030 --> 00:43:18,880
in this film his groundbreaking quote of

1197
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:23,040
most most of what what we have has not

1198
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:24,560
been revealed to the public

1199
00:43:31,109 --> 00:43:29,119
so um i think it makes total sense and

1200
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,119
if you look at past history with the

1201
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:33,200
government's involvement with the ufo

1202
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:34,240
community

1203
00:43:41,430 --> 00:43:38,560
they have sent government officials

1204
00:43:42,870 --> 00:43:41,440
undercover to ufo conferences and events

1205
00:43:45,109 --> 00:43:42,880
and and

1206
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:45,119
followed people and interacted with with

1207
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,000
ufo

1208
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,040
uh researchers to find out

1209
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:51,280
what the community knows to see if it

1210
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:53,440
aligns with

1211
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:56,480
what they know or does the ufo community

1212
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,800
have

1213
00:44:00,550 --> 00:43:58,560
insider knowledge on specialized

1214
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,560
military technology that

1215
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,400
you know they need to like do something

1216
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:04,240
about um

1217
00:44:07,349 --> 00:44:06,240
so it's not that surprising to me and i

1218
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:07,359
think it's yeah like

1219
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:11,280
he like shane said it's freaking cool um

1220
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:14,720
i i think that everyone should watch it

1221
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,920
in the government and and

1222
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:18,640
it's great and yeah uh to the stars lou

1223
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:19,119
and

1224
00:44:24,950 --> 00:44:22,400
praising

1225
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:24,960
the film on twitter i know quite a bit

1226
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:25,520
so

1227
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:28,240
um their involvement with with

1228
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,319
government programs as well i think

1229
00:44:36,230 --> 00:44:33,920
it goes hand in hand yeah and

1230
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:36,240
he brought up lou and lose a i think a

1231
00:44:40,550 --> 00:44:37,520
prime example of

1232
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,560
why showing this film to the people on

1233
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,319
the the uap task force and others in the

1234
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:43,280
government

1235
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,839
is such an amazing thing because you

1236
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:46,800
know as we know

1237
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:50,240
lou when he was involved with with atip

1238
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:53,119
lou wasn't familiar with ufo history he

1239
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,960
didn't know historical cases that's not

1240
00:44:58,710 --> 00:44:57,359
part of the knowledge that he had

1241
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:58,720
you know he was starting from scratch

1242
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:01,599
and doing whatever you know the

1243
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,400
atip was doing but he didn't didn't have

1244
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:06,000
that historical knowledge so

1245
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,240
you know it's a slow slow build process

1246
00:45:12,150 --> 00:45:09,920
to to acquire that

1247
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:12,160
and uh you know it helps you avoid

1248
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,440
duplicating work or

1249
00:45:17,270 --> 00:45:15,760
or you know finding things out as you do

1250
00:45:18,150 --> 00:45:17,280
when you go down this rabbit hole and

1251
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:18,160
thinking

1252
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:19,520
you've uncovered something

1253
00:45:23,190 --> 00:45:21,040
earth-shattering groundbreaking

1254
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:23,200
information about ufos come to find that

1255
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,839
that's

1256
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:26,560
old news in the ufo world you know so i

1257
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,119
think it's

1258
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:30,160
incredibly smart of them to do but at

1259
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:31,440
the same time

1260
00:45:38,550 --> 00:45:34,560
you know it kind of highlights

1261
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:38,560
an exercise in futility um

1262
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,720
when it comes to the uap task force if

1263
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:42,720
this is really where they're starting

1264
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:44,560
and you know they're putting a team in

1265
00:45:47,990 --> 00:45:46,000
place that doesn't

1266
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,000
really have this knowledge already going

1267
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:50,079
forward because

1268
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:51,440
we've been down this road before with

1269
00:45:56,950 --> 00:45:54,160
the government why are we trying again

1270
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,960
with the same thing when supposedly

1271
00:45:59,910 --> 00:45:58,079
people hire up

1272
00:46:01,829 --> 00:45:59,920
have special information and it's the

1273
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:01,839
information that we're all after

1274
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:04,079
why aren't those people the ones doing

1275
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,359
this project

1276
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:07,040
um you know it seems like we're starting

1277
00:46:11,910 --> 00:46:09,280
over where we've been many times before

1278
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:11,920
so and maybe that's trying to eliminate

1279
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,640
bias i mean you wouldn't want a bunch of

1280
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:17,760
very researched ufo uh

1281
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,359
researchers running this program because

1282
00:46:24,550 --> 00:46:23,119
you know if you know too much and i

1283
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,560
think as as you all

1284
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:27,200
know the deeper you get into this the

1285
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:28,000
more your views

1286
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,560
can shift and personal bias could be

1287
00:46:35,430 --> 00:46:32,720
projected into something that needs

1288
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:35,440
a really objective standpoint so i can

1289
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,160
see why

1290
00:46:39,910 --> 00:46:38,000
why you wouldn't put those people in

1291
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:39,920
charge necessarily as well

1292
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,839
yeah that's a good point and you know i

1293
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:43,680
was thinking about you know how times

1294
00:46:48,230 --> 00:46:45,359
change and how we've changed as humans

1295
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,240
and you know we're all i think we could

1296
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:49,839
say we're all kind of

1297
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:52,240
lazier than than previous generations

1298
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:53,280
you know it's just kind of

1299
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,839
kind of the culture where you know we we

1300
00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:57,680
have shorter attention spans

1301
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,319
we aren't going to take the time to to

1302
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,200
read a lot of

1303
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:03,839
text or you know invest a lot of time

1304
00:47:06,390 --> 00:47:04,560
into

1305
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,400
to researching something we want the

1306
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,839
quick version too lazy

1307
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:10,480
didn't read right so um i think the

1308
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,040
movie

1309
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:12,880
really helps in that regard brings

1310
00:47:17,510 --> 00:47:14,560
people up to speed quickly in a visual

1311
00:47:20,710 --> 00:47:17,520
format something that's easy to digest

1312
00:47:24,470 --> 00:47:20,720
but i gotta say man i mean i really hope

1313
00:47:27,670 --> 00:47:24,480
that the uap task force has a couple

1314
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:27,680
like ed repelts on their squad who

1315
00:47:35,750 --> 00:47:32,000
like will go in and be gung-ho and

1316
00:47:38,069 --> 00:47:35,760
go and look at every single ufo report

1317
00:47:39,750 --> 00:47:38,079
that the government has on file that's

1318
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,760
what ed did when he

1319
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,079
before he took over project blue book

1320
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:44,640
went in and personally evaluated and

1321
00:47:49,030 --> 00:47:45,680
looked through

1322
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:49,040
all of the ufo sightings and reports

1323
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:51,440
that the project had amassed to that

1324
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,160
point

1325
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,040
so when he came in and took over he knew

1326
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,880
everything that had been done already

1327
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:58,160
knew the conclusions that had been

1328
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,319
reached and you know was ready

1329
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,359
to lead the project so we can hope that

1330
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:05,200
there are some go-getters like that in

1331
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:08,400
the uap task force now

1332
00:48:13,589 --> 00:48:11,920
well actually this is this has really

1333
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:13,599
been on my mind the whole time

1334
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,559
is you know where's the freaking air

1335
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:17,920
force been

1336
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:20,079
and we have heard nothing but crickets

1337
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,400
from them and it's like

1338
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,559
blue book never happened and now the

1339
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:26,319
navy oh

1340
00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:28,240
wow there's ufos and we're going to be

1341
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:29,839
you know transparent about it

1342
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,000
you know what i mean what does that mean

1343
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:33,839
what i have various thoughts on that is

1344
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,880
it related

1345
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:36,720
yeah yeah yeah anybody probably could do

1346
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:38,720
a whole show on it i think time will

1347
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:39,200
tell

1348
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:42,079
but you know here's my my overall

1349
00:48:46,230 --> 00:48:43,760
feeling about that

1350
00:48:47,510 --> 00:48:46,240
and that you know it goes into the navy

1351
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:47,520
and everything else that's that's

1352
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:48,559
happening right now

1353
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,000
it's you know how far can you take it

1354
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,359
you know and for the air force why would

1355
00:49:00,069 --> 00:48:56,960
they now come back

1356
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,079
and say oh you know what let's do

1357
00:49:03,589 --> 00:49:02,960
another project because they already did

1358
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,599
a project

1359
00:49:07,270 --> 00:49:05,920
they already did several projects and

1360
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,280
after their projects

1361
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,119
after their years of invested time and

1362
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:11,760
manpower their conclusion reached

1363
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,880
was that ufos don't pose a threat and

1364
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:17,760
it's really not useful at all for them

1365
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:18,160
to

1366
00:49:23,270 --> 00:49:21,440
anymore

1367
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:23,280
you know the uk government did the same

1368
00:49:27,270 --> 00:49:24,720
thing so people

1369
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,280
getting frustrated now why is the uk

1370
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,960
government so quiet on this

1371
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:31,200
look at everything the us is doing what

1372
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:32,240
are they doing

1373
00:49:38,230 --> 00:49:36,079
well again just until recently too

1374
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:38,240
they evaluated it they already went down

1375
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:40,240
this road and they made an official

1376
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:41,200
conclusion

1377
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:43,040
that doesn't pose a threat to national

1378
00:49:45,750 --> 00:49:44,319
security

1379
00:49:48,790 --> 00:49:45,760
we don't have the manpower to deal with

1380
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:48,800
this we've done what we're going to do

1381
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:52,240
bye you know so does it really then make

1382
00:49:54,549 --> 00:49:53,040
sense for

1383
00:49:56,309 --> 00:49:54,559
a group that's made that public

1384
00:49:57,990 --> 00:49:56,319
determination already

1385
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,000
then come back and do the same thing

1386
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,160
again you know

1387
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:02,160
i would like them to of course because

1388
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,480
this is that's just the nature of this

1389
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:06,800
field the nature of ufos

1390
00:50:10,950 --> 00:50:09,119
is in my opinion something that can

1391
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,960
never be solved it's the frustrating

1392
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:12,960
nature of ufos it's something that

1393
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:15,680
is ongoing and will always be ongoing

1394
00:50:18,230 --> 00:50:16,240
and will

1395
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,240
always need to be looked at on an

1396
00:50:23,910 --> 00:50:20,880
individual case-by-case basis

1397
00:50:26,630 --> 00:50:23,920
it's not something as simplistic as oh

1398
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:26,640
we solved every ufo or we can't solve

1399
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:27,760
any ufo

1400
00:50:32,150 --> 00:50:30,720
therefore not gonna try um you know it's

1401
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,160
a very complicated thing

1402
00:50:36,390 --> 00:50:35,359
because every ufo is different because

1403
00:50:39,990 --> 00:50:36,400
it's not something

1404
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:40,000
that is solved with a single answer so

1405
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:41,839
on that end i think it always needs to

1406
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,440
just remain a thing

1407
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,440
that you know is part of what you do and

1408
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:46,960
in a sense it is like we talked about

1409
00:50:51,430 --> 00:50:49,119
with japan like you're always

1410
00:50:53,829 --> 00:50:51,440
you know going to look into something

1411
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,839
that's unidentified in your airspace

1412
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:55,200
it's not something you say oh we don't

1413
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,119
have a policy for this so

1414
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we're just going to let that go no of

1415
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,640
course they've always looked into it

1416
00:51:05,349 --> 00:51:02,079
it's always been something that

1417
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,359
they're going to go and investigate but

1418
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,800
i think it's just something that has to

1419
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,960
be ongoing it's just a

1420
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:10,640
product of life it's something that's

1421
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,359
that has always been and will always be

1422
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:15,760
so you can't just close the book on it

1423
00:51:19,190 --> 00:51:17,599
but i do see

1424
00:51:20,790 --> 00:51:19,200
the difficulty from the air force's

1425
00:51:23,109 --> 00:51:20,800
standpoint because

1426
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:23,119
they've already done this what utility

1427
00:51:27,510 --> 00:51:24,400
is there and saying

1428
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:27,520
oh hey let's do it again

1429
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:30,160
no no i totally agree and and you know

1430
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,079
it's it's a freaking hot potato

1431
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,400
and they they they dealt with it for 20

1432
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:36,480
years what they're done i i do get that

1433
00:51:38,230 --> 00:51:36,880
but

1434
00:51:41,190 --> 00:51:38,240
i thought it was interesting like

1435
00:51:43,750 --> 00:51:41,200
colonel friend his comments there

1436
00:51:44,790 --> 00:51:43,760
about about blue book and i've always

1437
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:44,800
said this

1438
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,440
that when do you stop asking a question

1439
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,559
it's when you get the answer right so

1440
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:54,480
he alluded to that as well with project

1441
00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:55,599
blue book that

1442
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,480
and you know he had a pretty wry smile

1443
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,160
on his face when he said

1444
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,440
you know it the they made a conclusion

1445
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:05,440
and it wasn't the conclusion that you

1446
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,400
got

1447
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:09,040
was formally from blue book at the close

1448
00:52:13,109 --> 00:52:10,480
the blue book so

1449
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:13,119
uh again you know you stop asking a

1450
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:15,599
question when you get the answer so

1451
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:18,240
i don't know i guess time will tell what

1452
00:52:22,150 --> 00:52:19,760
that really means

1453
00:52:22,870 --> 00:52:22,160
i i think there's a lot of weight in his

1454
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,880
smile

1455
00:52:27,670 --> 00:52:25,599
and you know jason and i have had the

1456
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:27,680
opportunity to interview him in the past

1457
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:31,680
and he was similar and it was very hard

1458
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:32,079
to

1459
00:52:35,270 --> 00:52:33,599
interview him because you couldn't

1460
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:35,280
figure out what he was trying to tell

1461
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:35,760
you

1462
00:52:39,270 --> 00:52:37,520
with the look in his eye and the smile

1463
00:52:42,710 --> 00:52:39,280
on his face you couldn't

1464
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:42,720
tell if he was like mocking it or

1465
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,280
whether he was trying to tell you i'm

1466
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:46,960
telling you there's something

1467
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:50,240
you don't know yeah so very very

1468
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,839
curious well and that coupled with

1469
00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:56,160
harry reid which again i find is quite

1470
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:57,440
confusing

1471
00:53:01,270 --> 00:53:00,160
when james asked him are you saying some

1472
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,280
information

1473
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:03,200
has been withheld from the government

1474
00:53:06,630 --> 00:53:05,359
about ufos and he came and came back and

1475
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,640
said no i'm telling you

1476
00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:09,680
most of it has been held back and yet

1477
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:12,240
when the the most recent new york times

1478
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:13,760
uh article came out he kind of

1479
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:15,359
pooh-poohed the whole thing i

1480
00:53:18,710 --> 00:53:17,520
i i don't know what i don't know how to

1481
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:18,720
explain that what

1482
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:22,000
you know how to justify is kind of

1483
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:24,160
playing back and forth maybe that's just

1484
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:25,680
politician stuff i

1485
00:53:28,790 --> 00:53:27,280
don't know it very well could be you

1486
00:53:29,829 --> 00:53:28,800
know and maybe that's an episode we'll

1487
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,839
have in the future

1488
00:53:33,190 --> 00:53:32,079
and maybe a happy hour episode where we

1489
00:53:35,349 --> 00:53:33,200
try to dissect

1490
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:35,359
the mind of harry reid and his his

1491
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,680
comments on the subject

1492
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:40,400
yeah fascinating all right guys well

1493
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,839
let's wrap this up thanks uh

1494
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:44,160
for hanging out on our happy hour

1495
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,520
episode with us today

1496
00:53:49,349 --> 00:53:47,119
um it's always fun when we get together

1497
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,359
i love these and citizens that's gonna

1498
00:53:52,710 --> 00:53:50,880
do it for this episode

1499
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,720
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00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,000
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1506
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,920
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1507
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,400
i'm at acentric on twitter maureen where

1508
00:54:16,230 --> 00:54:12,079
can people find you on twitter

1509
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:16,240
uh at marine ellsbury easy and shane

1510
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:19,200
at heard ranch at heard ranch thanks

1511
00:54:24,069 --> 00:54:20,640
again for hanging out today guys

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00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:24,079
i'm jason mcclellan i'm maureen elsberry

1513
00:54:28,470 --> 00:54:27,040
and i'm shane hurd do us a favor friends

1514
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:28,480
always treat the ufo subject with the

1515
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,280
cautious and

1516
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:31,440
responsible skepticism it deserves

1517
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:33,119
question everything

1518
00:54:36,230 --> 00:54:35,040
have the courage to form your own

1519
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:36,240
opinions

1520
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:38,000
keep truth as your focus of your quest

1521
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:39,760
even if the truth conflicts with your

1522
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:40,400
opinions